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AESQ Supplier Forum - AS13100 Overview (Audit Related)

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Will you need to be certified/qualified/accredited to AS13100? Or will every OEM audit the suppliers? Supplier audits will be carried out by the customer as it is done today e.g. Rolls-Royce will continue to conduct supplier audits to the requirements of SABRe. SABRe will include the need to comply with AS13100 and so will be in the scope of the RR audit.
Will companies require suppliers to be certified to AS13100 by a 3rd party in the future or will each Engine Manufacturer continue to audit their suppliers? AS13100 will be assessed through a customer audit.
Will the OEM's share supplier audits or will we still have independent audits by each OEM? The initial situation will be for each OEM to conduct its own audits, as they do now. The Subject Matter Interest Groups may wish to evaluate how OEMs can avoid duplicate audits as this was one of the original intentions of the audit requirements.
Do organizations need to get AS13100 certified?

No.

Which body will certify AS13100?

None. AS13100 is not a certifiable standard.

Who will perform the AS13100 audit at the end of the process?

The customer

Will AS13100 be added to the third parties audit score like 9100 (Afnor, Veritas, etc.)?

No, that is not the intent. AS13100 will be assessed through a customer audit.

Is a 3rd party audit required?

No, that is not the intent. AS13100 will be assessed through a customer audit.

Is the intention to have 3rd party validation audits for AS13100 compliance? If so, would these be in conjunction with AS9100 recertification audits?

There is no requirement for 3rd party certification to AS13100.

Will this help our organization to conduct a single internal audit combining AS9100, S-1000 & ASQR-01 requirements? That is the intent. There are currently some differences with OEM unique requirements, but this should allow large parts of the requirements and hence the audit checklist to be the same.
Are there any expectations from the AESQ for the AS9100 certification bodies and registrars AS auditors in regards to auditing?

No. AS13100 replaces large sections of what were OEM's unique requirements. These should be reflected in your QMS and subject to 3rd party certification audit. AS13100 allows the organization to harmonize its QMS around AS13100 to a larger extent and hence reduce its complexity.

Is AS13100 designed to reduce the number of audits by accepting the 3rd party AS91xx certifications?

The initial situation will be for each OEM to conduct its own audits, as they do now. The Subject Matter Interest Group may wish to evaluate how OEMs can avoid duplicate audits as this was one of the original intentions of the audit requirements.

Is the product audit anticipated to be a product strip down (i.e. destructive)?

There are various ways in which the intent of the product Audit can be met. We would always try to avoid destructive testing.

Quality Audit (requirements): Who is checking compliance to AS13100? Is it planned to be coordinated centrally? The customer will check compliance as well as the supplier (through internal audits and the self-assessment checklist RM13009)
Just to make sure - are we talking about internal audits? AS13100 audit requirements in sections 7 and 9 refer to internal audits. Section 4 states the requirements for certification.
If we have these internal audits done by ourselves, can we submit the same to OEM to avoid further audits? The intent of the Internal Audit Report is to establish a level of confidence in the organization's internal audit process that can then allow a reduced customer audit or mitigate the need for an audit at all. You should work with the Subject matter Interest Group on this to understand more.
Do Special Process Audits need to be supplemented with additional audits if Nadcap audits are set to 18 months? Yes, the maximum time period in between a special process audit is set at 12 months due to the critical nature of such audits.
If you have achieved merit with NADCAP can you perform special process audits every two years rather than every year? No, the maximum time period in between a special process audit is set at 12 months due to the critical nature of such audits.
For special processes that are currently on Merit with Nadcap (18 or 24-month audit intervals), are the special process audits you are referring to the internal audits? Yes, the maximum time period in between a special process audit is set at 12 months due to the critical nature of such audits.
Will the suppliers certified themselves according to AS13100? Like NADCAP? Or will it be enough to be in compliance with AS13100? No, that is not the intent. AS13100 will be assessed through a customer audit.
Will the OEM's share supplier audits or will we still have independent audits by each OEM? There are currently no plans for an OEM audit recognition scheme although this is a good idea for the Audit Subject matter Interest Group to consider.
Does the special process audit (RM13005) have any connection with AS9102 Form-2? There is no direct link between the RM13005 special process audit and AS9102 Form 2. Column 9 of Form 2 is asking if the special process or material sources are approved by the customer if required. If customer approval is required for a certain customer, RM13005 special process audit could be a piece of the requirement for approval, which in this case, there would be an indirect link.
How will AS13100 certifications/ registration be maintained? And how will others know whether someone is compliant with AS13100? Only through customer audit currently. There are no plans to share audit data amongst the OEMs.
We have just been validated again for EN 9100, until 2024, do we have to pass an AS13100 certification in addition? When? can we wait until 2024? This is not linked to your AS9100 certification. It is replacing large parts of the customer requirements, and, therefore, your assessment will be as part of your normal customer audit program.
So this will not be rolled into a 3rd party audit for compliance. It will be audited by our customers, but that means each of the customers will audit us (we deliver to all the engine primes) PW, RR, SAFRAN, and GE. There are no plans for a 3rd party approach. It will continue to be assessed through customer audits.
How many days do you anticipate the compliance audit to be by the customers? The same as it is today, it will depend on the type of supplier, their product range, and the number of potential issues/supplier maturity.
Will there be a published scorecard/audit reports for suppliers available to AESQ members? There are no plans to do this at this time.
Just wanted to clarify that at some point we can expect the AS13100 compliance audits as part of the quality audit from, for example, RR. And if yes, the outcome will be recognized by other Aero Engine manufacturers? There are currently no plans for an OEM audit recognition scheme although this is a good idea for the Audit Subject matter Interest Group to consider.
If you're not NADCAP certified on a specific Special Process, shall the annual Special Process be done using the NADCAP checklist? Or a customer checklist, or you can develop your own and get it approved by the customer.
What is the intent of keeping the audit function within the customer organization as opposed to using a 3rd party? The intent is to reduce the cost to the supplier.
Presently requirements are AS9100, customer, and NADCAP. Where does NADCAP fit in after compliance to AS13100? Most OEMs require special process assessment to NADCAP. This is reflected in AS13100. It does not contradict or add to the existing requirements for NADCAP by the customer.
The guidance given during the AS13100 rollout on April 21st indicated that once a customer performed an AS13100 audit, that another customer would use that evidence and would not perform a standard Quality systems audit that year. Why perform multiple customer audits to the same standard? There is no process for sharing audit information across customers.

 

 

 

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