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AS13100 Quality Foundations Training Clarifications

For 2022, suppliers with a new Quality Leader with responsibility for supporting the design, manufacturing, and assembly operations within the organization via AS13100 are required to attend the SAE administered Quality Foundations Training course or attend a recognized OEM training course (e.g., GE). QMs in place prior to 2023 who have attended the SAE course or a recognized OEM training course are exempt from the SAE course. 

For 2023, suppliers with a new Quality Leader with responsibility for supporting the design, manufacturing, and assembly operations within the organization via AS13100 are required to attend the SAE administered Quality Foundations Training course and any required OEM gap training. QMs in place prior to 2023 who have attended the SAE course or a recognized OEM training course are exempt from the SAE course.

AS13100 7.2.4 – Equivalent training that meets the AESQ AS13100 Supplemental Quality Management System Requirements and Quality Foundations course syllabi shall be approved by the AESQ.

AESQ has decided for the initial roll-out that there will be no third-party training courses approved to maintain standardization and consistency in content and delivery.

    SAE is the only recognized source for the AS13100 Supplemental Quality Management System Requirements Course (PD532104).
    The only recognized sources for the Quality Foundations course are the SAE Quality Foundations course (C2112) and AESQ voting member company courses that already exist and meet the intent of the SAE courses.
    This will permit the use of the existing training documentation through 2022.
    All training beyond 2022 must use the SAE developed courses while understanding that voting member companies may supplement the SAE Quality Foundations Training with unique member training like DPRV.

AS13100, Table 5, Lead Auditor Qualification Clarification  AESQ does not recommend a specific training source for AS131000, Table 5, Lead Auditor qualification.  However, there are many training sources available and, AESQ suggests searching online for a reputable training provider.
Can an AESQ voting member company develop their own training material for the AESQ Quality Foundation Course? Yes, through 2022.
Can an AESQ voting member company develop their own training material for the AS13100 Supplemental Quality Management System Requirements training course? No.
Can an AESQ Member (like CPP) develop their own training for the AESQ Quality Foundations and AS13100 Supplemental Quality Management System Requirements training? No.
Can a supplier (non AESQ member) develop their own training for the AESQ Quality Foundations and AS13100 Supplemental Quality Management System Requirements training? No.
Can an AESQ Voting Member send a participant to the AESQ Quality Foundations and/or the AS13100 Supplemental Quality Management System Requirements training courses (SAE trainings) and then use the material for further training within their company (train the trainer with access to the training material)? No.
If one Member has developed an AESQ Quality Foundations course and provided it to their supplier, has the supplier then automatically fulfilled the AS13100 Supplemental Quality Management System Requirements training for all customers with a AS13100 requirement (to other OEMs and everyone in the supply chain that flows the OEMs requirements)? Yes, in 2022. No, beyond 2022, member companies must use the SAE courses.
Will the organization be responsible to show what kind of training they have been through to show compliance to the requirement? SAE will provide attendance records indicating supplier name and person completing training.
Many suppliers are already working on their deployment and have started enrolling in the AESQ Quality Foundations course provided by SAE. How will the suppliers know which AESQ voting members will provide a customer Quality Foundation training and if the specific supplier will be in scope for the customers training? Each organization will need to ensure a contractual requirement indicating if SAE alternative training option are permitted for 2022.
Q9: Does AESQ expect to allow external providers to be able to provide training in on Quality Foundations and AS13100 Supplemental Quality Management System Requirements? No, for initial rollout.
Can a consultant that will work for us go to a training at SAE and perform a supplier AS13100 compliance audit? Audits must be performed as prescribed by an organization’s QMS.
Why is there a cost for these courses? The industry is mandating the AS13100 specifications. How does this fit with the goal to reduce costs?

These training courses replace ones that you are already required to attend. Training and education are seen as key areas for improvement across the industry i.e. how to effectively deploy defect prevention quality tools etc.

I would be interested in going to 2 of the 3 levels of the AS13100 Training courses. How do I sign-up for the training?

Visit the AESQ website, and click on Activities, Available Training, https://aesq.sae-itc.com/training

Must each quality leader and functional leader have a separate license or can our company use the single 365 day license?

Each individual must have a separate log-in and account for the training.

Is training in Chinese available?

The training includes subtitles (closed captioning) in Mandarin and other languages.

I'm a Quality manager - what kind of training do you think is better tailored for my role?

The AS13100 Requirements Course is recommended if you are responsible for implementing it in your company (or updating the QMS) and the Quality Foundations Course.

If we already have an ISO 45001-certified management system, must we also show a specific Human Factors training requirement? Yes, although they may be the same where the intent is similar.
Can we acquire a certification after completing the course to show our customers?

Yes, certification of course completion will be available. Please click this link for details on training: https://discover.sae.org/AS13100

For information we conduct around 50 internal audits a year, with 15 internal auditors. This is to ensure independence and variation. 
Whilst they are all experienced with a good knowledge of systems and customer specific requirements, PPAP, product etc, they are not qualified lead auditors. 
We are a relatively small company and am not convinced that sending each and everyone away for a week at a cost of $5000 each would add value or get support from those who have to approve the spend.  

With Ref to Table 5 in AS13100 :

What’s the difference between someone “Leading” an Audit , and therefore requiring a Lead Auditor Qualification”  and someone who is “conducting” an audit and only needing a 2 day course for qualification (or Lead Auditor approval)

Our internal Audits are normally completed by individuals.

The intent of separating Lead Auditor and Auditor roles, responsibilities and training is to recognize the audit structure for organizations of all sizes. The Lead Auditor is responsible for all aspects of a specific audit including coordinating other auditors who are supporting (conducting) the audit. If an auditor is acting alone in conducting an audit from start to finish, they would need to satisfy the requirements defined for a Lead Auditor.

Lead Auditor Qualification:

  • This level of training is required for auditors that will be leading Internal and/or supplier audits. [1]
  • The Lead Auditor shall be trained in an Aerospace Lead Auditor training with documented content and examination. [1]

Internal Audit Qualification

  • Internal Auditor Qualification shall be achieved by Auditors that conduct internal audits or participate in supplier audits in support of a Lead Auditor.
  • Training to be delivered by external body, (recommend using a training provider that utilizes Aerospace Experienced Auditor, minimum 2 days, and contains audit methods and 9100) or by an approved internal Lead Auditor.

I have a question with regard to auditor qualifications from table 5 (page 33). 

Lead Auditor qualification – The lead auditor shall be trained in an Aerospace Lead Auditor training with documented content and examination. 

My question is that, if an auditor has ISO9001 Lead auditor training and qualification, and has been on the SAE AS13100 supplemental QMS requirements, SAE AS13100 Quality Foundations, SAE AS13100 Learning Plans and the SAE 3 day AS13100 course, would this meet the requirements of lead auditor in AS13100? 

t appears the training stated would satisfy the requirements for an internal auditor.
Another missing question is “I am a Quality Leader responsible for supporting manufacturing and assembly operations via AS13100 - If I receive an attendance certificate from the SAE for having taken the Quality Foundations course but do not pass the assessment, is that sufficient to meet the requirement?” No.

 

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