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There are a number of individuals that have questions on the definition of a distributor’s requirements. Is AS9100 needed for distributors supplying the make-to-print part?

A manufacturer is required to be AS9100; a distributor is required to be an AS9120. If both functions are performed within the same organization, I would expect it to have both certifications because the quality system requirements are fundamentally different between the two organizations

What kind of guarantee do suppliers have that the requirements of AS13100 will remain harmonized since this is our company's biggest concern? We've seen this with requirements for 9102; when it was 1st released, everybody was united behind the standard, but over time everyone started adding their own supplemental requirements, and now every single customer wants a little different than everybody else.

The AESQ member companies have committed to the purpose of one standard set of requirements; thus, I see no chance of each member company changing back to their requirements only.  The difference with AS9102 was the fact that it is not an AESQ created document and, thus, no agreement on content was discussed or agreement reached.

The compliance route is unclear. It is very likely that there will be multiple requests for AS13100 compliance. This means that there will be multiple interfaces to various customers causing duplication and probably a contradiction in responses who will confirm or approve.

One possible solution to minimize customer concerns and visits regarding compliance to AS13100 is to utilize the annual audit internal audit report described in AS13100.  This is a comprehensive report of all activities that you've undertaken during the year to self-audit yourself. At a high level that you can share it with each of your customers.

Suppliers will soon see SMS as a requirement for those approved. I'm assuming that this will more than meet the human factors requirements. They basically mandate no failure to be assigned due to operator error. How does human factors figure in this? In AS13100 a couple of comments saying that yes, for years we have not accepted operator error as a root cause and just a statement that in the maintenance organization, human factors has been used on a regular basis but of course, it hasn't been used in manufacturing. How would the use of AS13100 change that?

Part 145 is not in the scope of AS13100.  Of course, it's the same kind of system we really want to have for a new.  Changing the culture in manufacturing, but not only in manufacturing because we have also human errors in offices. It's something we have discussed already; we are working with the group toward the end of the year or the beginning of Next year.

Can individual SAE G-22 Committee members join the subject matter interest groups to contribute to the reference material revision and support? 

The AESQ Communities of Practice (CoP) which are created by the Subject Matter Interest Groups are open to individual users from across the supply chain. These CoPs will be used to gain user feedback, share successes, and best practices for use in updating the Reference Manuals and the AS13100 standard.  AESQ also has an “AESQ Membership” category for companies to get involved with AESQ activities.  Visit

Why does AS13100 have requirements in addition to AS9145?

The AS13100 writing team felt that the AS9145 requirements doesn't go far enough to meet the needs of the aero engines members. AS 9145 is undergoing a rewrite to consider the additional AS13100 elements and, if covered in the AS9145 revision, AS13100 will remove the additional requirements.

There are requirements in AS13100 for the level of skills that lead auditors, regular auditors and all sorts of auditors need to have.  What is the definition of lead auditor (lead each audit or leader of the audit program)? Is a lead auditor able to train internal auditors, or must all auditors attend 3rd party training?

The lead auditor term is the person leading an audit. An audit administrator would be over the entire audit structure. A lead auditor is a person responsible for the execution of an audit and a lead auditor can, if they are adequately certified, facilitate an internal training program to other auditors.